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#1 Zekrio

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 08:46 PM

I was just wondering why haven't I seen anyone using lucario during wifi battles or even on PO, much less VGC. Is he really that bad? I think he has good typing and movepool, although he does have mediocre stats. I'm starting to test this mini Anubis out on my goodstuff team, but what role suits him best? Special? Physical? Perhaps supporter? Or does he do a better job in singles than doubles? All opinions, reasons, and suggestions are welcome! :D


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#2 pball0010

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 09:04 PM

To my knowledge no one has really succeeded with him...

yet...


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#3 P3DS

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

Well lucario ( my favorite pokemon =] ) has really got some diversity. You have the physical set, and extremespeed to get a jump on the prankster users, where as the special set can hit a bit of damage to pokemon like rhyperior. Also, it has 2 amazing VGC abilities. Inner focus stops the ever present fake out, and then you can attack, whilst justified is great when absorbing incoming dark moves i.e. crunch. The latter ability is ok to use in a pseudo terracott, but you could utilize a defensive set with follow me, as it does a decent job, but is outclassed by amoonguss


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#4 Chauzu

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 11:40 PM

When looking at Lucario it really feels like he should be usable. Good typing, good movepool, good abilites, the fact that he is so uncommon whilst he is able to do quite a few different roles. I feel like he should defo be usable if you build the team around him rather than adding him as a 6th member and hoping that he magically fits the slot perfectly...

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#5 Zekrio

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:00 AM

I hope Lucario will be more useful when X and Y comes out. With his mega evolution(the only drawback to mega evolution is that you have to waste the item slot on the Lucarionite; same goes for Arceus) and resistance to fairy(does Lucario's steel type cancel out his weakness to Fairy because he's also fighting type?), I think he'll get more attention hopefully.


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#6 Duy

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 02:22 AM

 The latter ability is ok to use in a pseudo terracott, but you could utilize a defensive set with follow me, as it does a decent job, but is outclassed be amoonguss

 

Not true. Amoongus is much bulkier, but Lucario has a really good typing to go off of and can bite back with Fighting STABs. Lucario is perfect if you are trying to protect the Dragon types on your team, as he resists both Ice and Dragon type moves. I have been theorying for a long time that pairing up Lucario with a fellow Dragon to allow the Dragon to use setup moves has potential. I, however, have not tested it just yet. Ray Rizzo has been known to use Follow Me Lucario in the 2010 metagame to redirect Spacial Rends and Draco Meteors, so it definitely has its niche as a supporting Pokemon.


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#7 Werford

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:58 AM

I've had somewhat limited success using special Lucario in a similar capacity to Aaron's Scizor set. I can't remember the EVs of the top of my head, but I ran a Modest Luc @ Fighting Gem with Nasty Plot, Vacuum Wave, Dark Pulse, and Quick Guard. One advantage of using Special Lucario is its access to the only Special priority attack in the game. I also observed while using it that it was an excellent sponge for Will O Wisps, as most people expect Physical Lucario, only to be punished by a +2 attack the next turn.

It was definitely a fun mon to use, but I don't think I was using it quite to its potential. It seemed pretty frail despite its excellent resistances, and even at +2 I could have used a little more power from it.

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#8 lucariojr

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:16 AM

the most successful venture i've had with lucario is pairing him up with calm mind cresselia. lucario checks a lot of the stuff that gives cress a hard time (ttar and thund with stone edge), redirects stuff like crunch and draco's, and in general plays a lot like volcarona in that it's a pretty solid offensive follow me user that isn't mauled by scarftar. i used a spread of 92 HP / 212 atk / 4 def / 4 spD / 196 spe, which outsped loom (even though i get ohko'd by mach punch but its still a good speed to hit), lived ttar's low kick and bulky thund's egem tbolt before close combat, and can ohko the same bulky thund with stone edge and life orb.

 

also lucario is the best mon, no bias


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#9 araluen7

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:27 AM

I can honestly say every time I picked him up, I found him to be very lackluster. And I tried everything that I can think of, Fighting Gem, Steel Gem, Life Orb, Sitrus, Lum, Expert Belt. Every Single set I had on him, just never did enough for me. I really like his movepool, and his typing, and even his sprites, but bidoof if his stats don't do him justice. If he got like, at minimum +10 to every stat that would be so much better. Before I gave up on him, the most useful set I tried was the Life Orb Mix set with Extreme Speed, Aura Sphere, Flash Cannon, Protect. I choose ESpeed over Bullet Punch and Vacuum Wave because it let me take care of essentially all the pokemon who threatened to Fake Out that turn, because I think I had Justified as an ability. 

 

 

also lucario is the best mon, no bias

 

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#10 shinryu

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 07:02 AM

Follow Me Lucario would be so much better if he had the defenses to back his solid typing. Otherwise his Spe is middling for sweeping, and other options are either bulkier or hit harder.

#11 MarvelousBridge

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:00 AM

Just to reiterate what Duy and a few others said, Follow Me Lucario is the best VGC set as it aides Latios/tias so well. Good luck, he will require the right team!


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#12 melevin9

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 09:18 AM

I think defenses of 70/70/70 and weakness to fighting are the reasons you dont see very many Lucario in this metagame. If it had semi decent defenses to back up its massive and awesome movepool then it would certainly see alot more usage than it does now


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