Breeding
Published on November 5th, 2013 |
by Gonzo
Pseudo RNG Abuse for Eggs in Pokémon X & Y
Yes, it’s actually happening! The credit for it goes to Japanese players who discovered that IVs of the egg are determined before the parents are even deposited in the Day-Care. Sounds pretty crazy, but believe me, it works!
Prerequisites
In order to be 100% sure about what IVs and from which parent are inherited by the egg, you need to have following things:
- A pair of Test Parents from any egg group that both have all different IVs. The best way to find them out is to go to the Battle Institute (Lumiose City, Northern Boulevard) as their level will be set to 50 and the results will be very accurate. If you don’t know the exact EV spreads of your pair, just erase them with a Reset Bag. Note that if you don’t have any 31 IVs among your Test Parents, you have a higher chance of spotting a hex flawless spread as the stat that’s not inherited is random. Important: Inheritance can differ for Pokémon with different gender ratio. It’s recommened to use Test Parents with the same gender ratio as the target. Personally, it happened to me only when I’ve been breeding genderless Pokémon, but there were reports of the shakiness for other Pokémon as well.
- Destiny Knot (2nd floor, Cyllage City Hotel) and Everstone (Geosenge Town, given by a Scientist in leftmost house).
- A Pokémon with either Flame Body or Magma Armor ability and a Pokémon that can use HM02 Fly (Fletchinder and Talonflame are your best bets as they both and Fly and have Flame Body).
- A bunch of Pokémon you want to RNG with at least 2/3 perfect IVs. Make sure that the female (or Male if breeding with Ditto) has the desired Ability. There’s a 60% chance that the offspring will inherit mother’s Ability.
- Access to a decent IV calculator.
- (optional) Hatching O-Power.
The Process: Practice
- Put your Test Parents in the Day-Care. One of them must hold Destiny Knot.
- Ride your bike outside the Day-Care until Day-Care Man gets an Egg for you (he’ll be facing down, towards the road).
- Take and hatch the Egg.
- Go to the Battle Institute (Lumiose city, Northern Boulevard) and take a test. Don’t worry, you don’t have to save your game.
- Go to your hatched Pokémon’s Summary and calculate its IVs.
- Write down which IVs have been inherited and from which parent.
- For future reference, you might want to write down the stats of the hatched Pokémon to save time when RNGing next time.
- If you’re satisfied with the inheritance spread you’ve obtained, reset the game and swap the Test Parents with another couple that has perfect IVs matching your inheritance spread (use Everstone to ensure you get the right nature). Hatch the egg and congratulations! You’ve just successfully RNGed a Pokémon in X/Y!
- If you didn’t get desired spread, reset your game, repeat Step 2 but instead of getting the Egg from the Day-Care Man, reject it and save the game. Repeat Steps 3-7. In case you didn’t get desired Ability with your final parents, you need to repeat the process.
The Process: Example
My Test Parents are a pair of Sunkern:
 (M) |
 |
| Nature: |
Bold |
| Stat |
IV |
| HP |
2 |
| Atk |
16 |
| Def |
30 |
| SAtk |
21 |
| SDef |
9 |
| Spe |
2 |
| (F) |
|
| Nature: |
Serious |
| Stat |
IV |
| HP |
4 |
| Atk |
11 |
| Def |
12 |
| SAtk |
0 |
| SDef |
26 |
| Spe |
7 |
The hatched Sunkern has Hardy Nature and following stats at level 50: 92/43/49/50/48/36. I calculate IVs and get result of:
|
|
| Nature: |
Hardy |
| Stat |
IV |
| HP |
4 |
| Atk |
16 |
| Def |
30 |
| SAtk |
31 |
| SDef |
26 |
| Spe |
2 |
I try to match them and instead of exact IVs, I put X for the random non-inherited IV, M for Male’s IV and F for Female’s IV and get: F/M/M/X/F/M I search among all the Pokémon I’d like to breed for a Female with 31 IVs in HP and Special Defense and a Male with 31 IVs in Attack, Defense and Speed. I reset the game and take back my Sunkern couple. I go to the PC and find a 31/x/x/31/31/31 Bold Female Intimidate Mawile and an x/31/31/31/x/31/ Adamant Male Floatzel. Since I want to have an Adamant Mawile, I put my Everstone on Floatzel and Destiny Knot on Mawile. A 31/31/31/31/31/31 Adamant Intimidate Mawile is my goal.
 (M) |
 |
| Nature: |
Adamant |
| Stat |
IV |
HP |
x |
| Atk |
31 |
| Def |
31 |
SAtk |
x |
SDef |
x |
| Spe |
31 |
 (F) |
|
| Nature: |
Bold |
| Stat |
IV |
| HP |
31 |
Atk |
x |
Def |
x |
SAtk |
x |
| SDef |
31 |
Spe |
x |
I ride until I get an egg from Day-Care Man, I hatch it, check the Ability and since it’s the desired Intimidate, I go to the Judge. He says that my Mawile’s overall potential is outstanding and its HP as well as its Atk, Def, SpAtk, SpDef and Speed “simply can’t be beat!” which means all its IVs are 31.
|
|
| Nature: |
Adamant |
| Stat |
IV |
| HP |
31 |
| Atk |
31 |
| Def |
31 |
| SAtk |
31 |
| SDef |
31 |
| Spe |
31 |
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Gonzo gave VGC a shot during Autumn Friendly in '11, fell in love with it and never looked back. World's #1 Stunfisk fan.
Well what are you doing? Because this is basically all you do for this method:
What Mikewando did is a little confusing if you are having trouble understanding the whole process already. According to his data, he says he can accept the egg, hatch, accept another one, hatch and those two will always be the same IV’s, as long as he accepts both of them without switching parents. But if he were to switch parents, or reject either of those eggs, then the spreads will change. He just had a really convoluted way to present it to us. If I had to guess I would say that you are either aren’t rejecting an egg, or are saving at the wrong point in time. Breeding traditionally can be tedious, but so can this method as you can clearly see.
Well what are you doing? Because this is basically all you do for this method:
What Mikewando did is a little confusing if you are having trouble understanding the whole process already. According to his data, he says he can accept the egg, hatch, accept another one, hatch and those two will always be the same IV’s, as long as he accepts both of them without switching parents. But if he were to switch parents, or reject either of those eggs, then the spreads will change. He just had a really convoluted way to present it to us. If I had to guess I would say that you either aren’t rejecting an egg, or are saving at the wrong point in time. Breeding traditionally can be tedious, but so can this method as you can clearly see.
How can I breed a 5 IV Rotom with this? is there a way at all since is genderless ?
How can I breed a 5 IV Rotom with this? is there a way at all since is genderless ?
You do it the same way, you just need to remember that Ditto is considered Female by the game.
You do it the same way, you just need to remember that Ditto is considered Female by the game.
Thanks a lot, I didnt know that
Thanks a lot, I didnt know that
I’m still kind of wondering what the point of doing this is compared to just hatching over and over again. For instance, I have this scenario:
Klefki @ Destiny Knot (M): M/x/x/M/x/x
Ditto @ Everstone (Bold, F): x/x/F/x/F/F
So I’m going for M/R/F/M/F/F. What is the benefit of taking the time to hatch a test parent, check IVs, yada yada instead of just mindless egg-hunting? How does this save me time in the long run?
I’m still kind of wondering what the point of doing this is compared to just hatching over and over again. For instance, I have this scenario:
Klefki @ Destiny Knot (M): M/x/x/M/x/x
Ditto @ Everstone (Bold, F): x/x/F/x/F/F
So I’m going for M/R/F/M/F/F. What is the benefit of taking the time to hatch a test baby, check IVs, yada yada instead of just mindless egg-hunting? How does this save me time in the long run?
No one is forcing you to use this method, but my two above quoted posts pretty much cover your question. Another great use for this method is that you can do this, then instead of finding something bad for the Klefki parents, it would actually be good for say, Tyrantum parents, or Gyardos parents.
No one is forcing you to use this method, but my two above quoted posts pretty much cover your question. Another great use for this method is that you can do this, then instead of finding something bad for the Klefki parents, it would actually be good for say, Tyrantum parents, or Gyardos parents.
Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t mean to be antagonistic. It just seems that the amount of work it takes to a) hatch a test egg,
verify the IVs, c) keep doing this until i get a spread i like, d) swap the parents, e) hatch the egg is just more than a) put my pokes in, 
hatch an egg, c) verify IVs… and it’s essentially the same result for more work.
Regardless, I have tried this method for kicks since I like the idea of controlling certain 0 IVs. However I’m using two 50/50s for my test parents but Ditto and Klefki as the real parents and have had no success yet. Does Ditto screw up the compatibility there?
Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t mean to be antagonistic. It just seems that the amount of work it takes to a) hatch a test egg,
verify the IVs, c) keep doing this until i get a spread i like, d) swap the parents, e) hatch the egg is just more than a) put my pokes in, 
hatch an egg, c) verify IVs… and it’s essentially the same result for more work.
Regardless, I have tried this method for kicks since I like the idea of controlling certain 0 IVs. However I’m using two 50/50s for my test parents but Ditto and Klefki as the real parents and have had no success yet. Does Ditto screw up the compatibility there?
I didn’t interpret you as being antagonistic, I’m just getting tired of seeing people ask the same question everywhere. But to answer your question, no, Ditto will act as the opposite sex of the pokemon you stick in with it, or Female in other cases such as genderless (which is good to know for breeding anything in that egg group). So it’s not an issue of compatibility, but more than likely some sort of error in one of the steps along the way. If you actually want to do this, I’d be more than happy to assist you, all you gotta do is list the steps you’ve been taking so myself or Gonzo or someone else can help get you on the right track.
Also, if you are having problems actually getting a good Klefki, you can try taking a look through our Trading thread, and find someone who will give you a flawless one, or one relatively close.
I didn’t interpret you as being antagonistic, I’m just getting tired of seeing people ask the same question everywhere. But to answer your question, no, Ditto will act as the opposite sex of the pokemon you stick in with it, or Female in other cases such as genderless (which is good to know for breeding anything in that egg group). So it’s not an issue of compatibility, but more than likely some sort of error in one of the steps along the way. If you actually want to do this, I’d be more than happy to assist you, all you gotta do is list the steps you’ve been taking so myself or Gonzo or someone else can help get you on the right track.
Also, if you are having problems actually getting a good Klefki, you can try taking a look through our Trading thread, and find someone who will give you a flawless one, or one relatively close.
Well after using this on several Pokemon, I’m just pretty much convinced it comes down to luck ultimately. Spent a few hours cycling through inheritance orders that didn’t match anything I had (and getting the one I wanted to be random only a couple of times), then ended up hatched the Pokemon I’ve been trying to get the order for randomly out of 9 eggs (I’d grown frustrated and just decided to randomly mash parents more for additional 4 IV ranges for when the stupid random stat became the one I wanted).
Either way, I’d definitely recommend grabbing a fair amount of 4 IV parents beforehand so you have a variety of combos to match when the random stat goes to the right stat.
Well after using this on several Pokemon, I’m just pretty much convinced it comes down to luck ultimately. Spent a few hours cycling through inheritance orders that didn’t match anything I had (and getting the one I wanted to be random only a couple of times), then ended up hatched the Pokemon I’ve been trying to get the order for randomly out of 9 eggs (I’d grown frustrated and just decided to randomly mash parents more for additional 4 IV ranges for when the stupid random stat became the one I wanted).
Either way, I’d definitely recommend grabbing a fair amount of 4 IV parents beforehand so you have a variety of combos to match when the random stat goes to the right stat. Otherwise if you try it with just a couple, it’s akin to shooting craps.
I just tried this, and I can’t get it to work.
I have a female magikarp with 0/0/0/0/0/0 and a male with 31/31/31/31/31/31 holding a Destiny knot. I put them in daycare, rejected the first egg and saved, hatched the second egg and checked the IVs.
The new magikarp has 31/xx/31/0/31/0, so I softreset and replace the magikarps with a female Ralts with 31/xx/xx/31/31/31 holding an everstone, and a male ghastly with 31/xx/31/xx/31/31 holding Destiny Knot. I hatch the egg again and check the IVs, but the Ralts’ IVs are 31/xx/xx/xx/31/31.
Shouldn’t they be 31/xx/31/31/31/31? What did I do wrong?
I just tried this, and I can’t get it to work.
I have a female magikarp with 0/0/0/0/0/0 and a male with 31/31/31/31/31/31 holding a Destiny knot. I put them in daycare, rejected the first egg and saved, hatched the second egg and checked the IVs.
The new magikarp has 31/xx/31/0/31/0, so I softreset and replace the magikarps with a female Ralts with 31/xx/xx/31/31/31 holding an everstone, and a male ghastly with 31/xx/31/xx/31/31 holding Destiny Knot. I hatch the egg again and check the IVs, but the Ralts’ IVs are 31/xx/xx/xx/31/31.
Shouldn’t they be 31/xx/31/31/31/31? What did I do wrong?
read what’s after Important: in the article again.
read what’s after Important: in the article again.
Hmmm, I just checked their gender ratios and Magikarp has a 50% gender ratio, so does Ralts and Ghastly. Does it matter that I’m using a male Ghastly and not a male Ralts instead?
Hmmm, I just checked their gender ratios and Magikarp has a 50% gender ratio, so does Ralts and Ghastly. Does it matter that I’m using a male Ghastly and not a male Ralts instead?
Nevermind, I found out what I did wrong. I managed to mess up which pokemon had which IVs.
Sorry for wasting your time 🙁
Nevermind, I found out what I did wrong. I managed to mess up which pokemon had which IVs.
Sorry for wasting your time
Does Magikarp still work if you are testing for female (or male) only species, such as Kangaskhan ?
I have noticed certain pokemon will always match the test Magikarp’s gender, such as Skrelp, but most pokemon will not.
I actually have saved my notes for basically every egg I have hatched since I learned this method, I don’t know if anyone would find it useful.
I note the inheritance roll + gender of each test Karp, then which mon I hatched from that egg and its gender.
I make note anytime I failed one way or another to produce 5iv monsters. Most commonly this came from the wild card being identical to one of my parents IVs.
Does Magikarp still work if you are testing for female (or male) only species, such as Kangaskhan ?
I have noticed certain pokemon will always match the test Magikarp’s gender, such as Skrelp, but most pokemon will not.
I actually have saved my notes for basically every egg I have hatched since I learned this method, I don’t know if anyone would find it useful.
I note the inheritance roll + gender of each test Karp, then which mon I hatched from that egg and its gender.
I make note anytime I failed one way or another to produce 5iv monsters. Most commonly this came from the wild card being identical to one of my parents IVs.
today i hatched a 5 iv froakie (87,5%/12,5%) after i checked the egg with magikarp (50%/50%) and it still worked, so i think there might be a chance that it is working altough youre using different ratios. or i was just lucky :s
today i hatched a 5 iv froakie (87,5%/12,5%) after i checked the egg with magikarp (50%/50%) and it still worked, so i think there might be a chance that it is working altough youre using different ratios. or i was just lucky :s